The Manifestor and The Projector: Human Design Episode Follow Up

Welcome to No Shame in the Home Game, the podcast that cares

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how your home feels, not looks.

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I am Laci and I am the

manifester talking today.

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We're going to be doing a Sarah

and Laci recap discussion after we

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talked to Adriana with human design.

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So I'm going to invite.

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Our projector, into the conversation.

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Hi,

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Sarah.

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Sara: I am so excited to see you., You

are the best part of my day so today's

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already been an adventure, as with life.

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Cause life is an adventure.

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Is it not?

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Lacey: Very much is.

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It is something.

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Whether we like it or

not, it is something.

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Sara: we like it or not.

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Today we're talking about Adriana,

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she is the human design coach,

which connected Laci and myself.

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And as I was driving home from an

impromptu pediatrician visit with

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my son, I was thinking of my human

design and my projector ness , how

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is this going to affect me?

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Like Laci said, she's a manifester.

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So her energy is very different

than mine as a projector.

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I need to schedule a lot more

downtime than I currently do.

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Lacey: Can I tell you, I'm so envious That

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you can schedule your downtime.

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I don't know when my downtime is.

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I don't know, I don't know when I'm

going to have these bursts of energy.

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Like yesterday morning, I was

sitting down doing some morning

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pages, trying to journal , I follow

a manifestors community page.

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And they talked about, and this

is something that I had never

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heard of before, but I found

it online, your cognition.

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So this is like the sense that

you are most in tune with and

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how you best take in information.

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And mine is feeling, which,

not surprised about that.

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I'm like the biggest

feeler ever, apparently.

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Everything's like emotions and feelings.

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The recommendations were

to get away from screens.

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And we've talked many a times about

how I love to be a digital person.

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So I was trying to take a

step back and be more analog.

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So I'm physically writing

in a journal yesterday.

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And I had this aha moment.

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And I really was running with some stuff.

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Sarah got a frantic voice message from me.

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I started making stuff in Canva.

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My kids are like, mom,

are we going to play?

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Sara: When inspiration strikes, it's

like a wild horse, and I feel like I

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imagine you just have to hold on and

you have no idea where the wild horse

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is going to go, when it's going to slow

down, when it's going to stop, and it's

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just nope, I'm on this wild horse and

I gotta go as long as I can until it's

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done, and then you're right, the wild

horse just stops wherever, and then

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you're like, oh, I guess I'm here now.

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Lacey: Yeah.

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I'll rest.

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Maybe I'll walk to the next destination.

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I don't know.

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I am envious of your ability to schedule

downtime, which is really funny because.

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This very much aligns with my illness

of I never know when I'm not gonna have

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energy and when my fatigue is going

to be a problem and all this stuff.

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And Joe and I joke that it would be

great if we could schedule my crashes.

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We could better play out around them.

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Like last night, poor Joe was supposed

to go play D& D with his friends.

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And then maybe because I exerted too

much energy in the morning, I passed out.

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He literally was about to leave and

he just said all of his stuff got

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stuff together for him to be able to

remote in so he could still be home.

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And it was like, ah, I was trying.

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Sara: The wild horse just dropped you.

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Lacey: The wild horse.

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Yeah,

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Sara: that is so true.

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And a reminder to anyone listening who

has no idea what we're talking about, I

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always explain human design very quickly

as it's like a user manual for yourself.

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You know how in a manual where there's

that first page, it was like quick setup.

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To me, it was a quick setup of how

do I operate best there's a lot

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of these are not optimal for you.

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And yes, when Lacey gets an idea

because of her manifester energy,

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she doesn't know when it's

coming and it goes wild.

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And I love watching it from the outside.

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It's really fun.

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And I don't have that creator energy.

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And that's why I started working

with Adriana because I burned out

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with my business because I was trying

to do parts of my business that

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are not in my natural skill set.

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If anyone's going I thought this

was about no shame in the home game.

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Let me do the connect for you, which is.

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I always say, I am a broken record.

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Your neighbor's house cannot be run

or managed like your house because we

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all have different goals, different

resources, different everything.

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And human design for me

really shines a light on that.

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I see the management of a home.

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I see how it can be organized.

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I see solutions, right?

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And the people who hire me can't see that.

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And I learned that's part

of my projector ness.

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I think of it as more as I can see.

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Imagine there's a really complicated

maze, and it's like I'm the third eye.

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I'm like standing above it and

I'm looking down I can see this.

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Go here, take a left, take a right.

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And versus some people are

inside of it and can't see it.

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And again, your neighbor's home.

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If somebody has that generator energy

and they're going to be scrubbing their

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toilets three times a week, that's

not going to be the same for you if

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you don't have that same energy level.

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And that's okay.

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No shame.

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You gotta work with what you have, right?

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Lacey: Absolutely.

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This is something that Sarah and

I have talked a lot about of that

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she and I both feel like we had.

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been conditioned for generator

households and generators make up

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like 75 percent of the population.

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Our world is scheduled and built

for them and their sense of energy.

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And the unlearning that I've been

doing about what is conditioning and

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what is real and what is actually

needed has been huge for me.

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Even just now, that analogy of

the horse and realizing that I

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struggle with my manifesterness

because I want to schedule it.

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You can hear, I'm like

realizing, Oh, that's right.

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I can't schedule it.

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That is a, I am still trying to push

that and I shouldn't be and it's

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just about living with ease, the

goal of No Shame in the Home Game is

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figuring out how to live with ease.

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It feels very woo.

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Or I don't know, like it's witchcraft

or that kind of stuff, but there are, as

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a manifester, my it's my throat center

is what's my most predominant feature.

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Hence why I love doing a podcast

because it's literally me talking.

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But the idea is that I'm supposed to

speak out loud what I want and I am

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supposed to put it out into the world.

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And.

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I'm going to have a hard time saying

this out loud, Sarah, but I have

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what is considered like a divine

connection to like the needs of the

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universe and that I have to honor that

and then use my intuition and pull

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forward what is being told to me,

which in sometimes it's magic because.

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This, again, this all started

because I was working with Sarah

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on something and she sent me

really the home CEO outline, right?

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And I was reading it and I had this moment

where I was flooded and I, I believe I

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just came back and I was messaging, and

I was like, Sarah, this is bigger, Sarah.

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This is important.

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This is something that needs

to be out in the world.

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It's more than just a course.

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It's all these different things.

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And that's what came up.

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That's how this all no shame

in the home game started.

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So even though it feels unnatural for

me to be like feels self important,

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I have had so many moments where I'm

like, Oh, I think this is what that is.

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And this podcast is an example of that.

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Sara: I think that's beautiful, and

I, when I hear you say, oh, it's the

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self important, or you're trying to

walk it back, that's that conditioning.

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Adriana said from day one, and she

said it throughout the whole course,

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so much of human design is, Finding

out what you're doing in your life

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that's not working and you're doing it

because you were told at some point,

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Somehow society imprinted in you to do

X, Y, or Z, and it doesn't feel great.

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And that's.

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When we don't show the best

side of ourselves, right?

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I can even hear saying my human

design is this but then you're

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trying to walk it back and that's

Conditioning saying don't get too big.

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Don't try to call attention to yourself.

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Make yourself small that's that

conditioning and likewise for me

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Why we are here together is because

working with Adriana learning my

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design is not going to be a content

creator That is not natural to me.

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It's very exhausting.

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And so that's why I hired Lacey.

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I love sharing my work with people, but

not everyone can hire me one on one.

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And I don't have the stamina to work

one on one with a lot of people.

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So this is Laci's strength, the

communication, putting together visuals.

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Okay.

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Yes.

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And then she said, Oh my goodness,

I want this to be bigger.

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And me, I was just along for the ride.

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Okay, I do too.

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I don't have the energy or the

vision to make it bigger, but you do.

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So tapping in and again, this

comes back to home management,

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tapping into people's strengths.

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Maybe one person is really

good at planning the meals

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and making the grocery list.

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And maybe another person is really

good at making the food, right?

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To this point, I had a booth and I was

engaging with people and saying, what is

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your least favorite home management task?

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And I cannot tell you how split it was.

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There was no, if you were to

do a bar graph, no one bar

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was higher than the other.

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They were all about the same because I

kept putting the answers on the table

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on post it notes and people would walk

up and they would read somebody else's.

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Why would somebody hate vacuuming?

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I love vacuuming.

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That's ridiculous.

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Why would somebody hate dishes?

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That's my best time of my day.

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There was no universally

loved or hated chore.

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And just like with our work, it's

finding out which one of us has

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the natural skillset and whether

or not you want to believe in

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human design or not, that's fine.

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But for me, yes, I have found so

much about myself that I already

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saw, but it shined a light on it.

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For instance, my entire life, people

have been asking me if I'm a teacher.

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I joke you not.

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Since I was in high school, Oh, are you

going to go to school to become a teacher?

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Nope.

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When I was in college.

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Oh, are you studying to become a teacher?

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Nope.

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I can't even tell you how many times

and I rejected the concept of being

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like a K through 12 teacher simply

because I do not enjoy disciplining

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So much of teaching is actually.

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Not teaching.

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It is managing a classroom,

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Lacey: Classroom management.

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Sara: which I'm not fond of.

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And then I learned part

of my design is teacher.

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And I'm like, oh, I do.

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I love sharing information and

knowledge and explaining it in a

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way that makes sense to people.

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So I was like, oh, I am a teacher, but

just not the way you think of a K through

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12 teacher, which God bless teachers.

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God bless teachers.

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I always say, I don't know how they

do it, however much they get paid.

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It's never enough.

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Mhm.

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Mhm.

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Lacey: Generators manifesting

generators their magic, in my opinion.

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So you hear us talk about my mom all

the time, Carolyn's a generator friends

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and she generates what I enjoyed

learning too from Adriana is that.

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When you have someone who is

a generator with that sacral

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center, it does rub off on you.

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And that has been a huge aha

moment for me because when my mom

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and dad come over to help me with

things, I do more than I ever do.

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And it's because I'm

feeding off their energy.

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So we need you generators.

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We love you.

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We need you.

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Sara: Everyone's important

and it's so important to value

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how we are all different.

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What connects us and also what highlights

us and the world would be very boring.

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If everything was Samesies.

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So celebrating what makes us each

unique, highlighting those things,

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unlearning what society has told us.

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When I think about that whole phrase,

when you were a kid, like you can

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be anything, you can do anything.

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I really don't like that.

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I really don't yes, you can,

but certain things are going

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to take a lot more energy.

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Do you know what I'm saying?

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Lacey: Yes.

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And I think that as you're talking

about it, it's like you can,

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but you don't have to be . Yeah.

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It's so hard because it's a

dichotomy, and the answer's in the

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middle, have you seen the meme that's

like, a kid , doing some kind of

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content creation and someone's no,

we don't need more content creators.

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We need plumbers.

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And there is truth in that, I

wish that we could all be

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different, but same value to each

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Sara: Yes, a hundred percent.

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I wish we could see the value.

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When I was young, I internalized that

message of you can be anything as,

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and you better be at the top of that,

mountain, versus you can be anything.

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Find what you do best and then go

do that your best and you'll be

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valued for whatever you choose.

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Lacey: My oldest nieces are,

one is graduated, another

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one's graduating this year.

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My career up until this point was mostly

in higher education and academic advising.

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I love those conversations.

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But I always preface them with

being, I don't need an answer.

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I don't need a specific answer.

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I'm asking out of curiosity of

what you want, not for you to

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tell me that you want to be X.

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I use myself as an example all the time

of yes, it would be very convenient

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if I would say, I want to be a nurse.

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So I'm going to get a nursing

degree so I can become a nurse

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or I'm going to be an engineer.

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So I'm going to get an engineering

degree I like talking.

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So I picked communication.

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That's literally why I picked my major.

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And then I fell in love with it

academically and took any experience

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that I could , what I would tell

my students and what I've told my

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nieces is all you're doing is setting

yourself up to move forward in a path.

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As long as you're doing that,

you are being successful.

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As long as you're taking the

opportunities that you can, you don't

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have to have an end point in mind.

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You just need to focus on.

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Setting yourself up now to be able to

get to an end point in the long run.

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Because at the end of the

day, there is no end point.

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I've been many a things,

Sarah has been many a things.

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I worked in a jewelry

distributors office.

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I worked in a movie

work for movie studios.

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I worked for mental and

behavioral healthcare recruiting.

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I've done a lot of weird stuff,

but I enjoyed trying it all out.

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Do I feel like a failure during it?

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Absolutely.

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But I've set myself on a

path and it's working out.

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Okay.

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Sara: Yes, I think it should be

more of try something and explore.

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I love that.

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I love that idea of a gap year,

between high school and college.

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And I think we're at a shifting point

in our society because it used to be

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you sign up, you work with a company or

with that company for your whole life.

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That's how health insurance

got to the way it is.

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today.

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And it's now it very much is.

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Oh, you work in this job.

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Oh, I like this aspect, but

I wasn't great at this part.

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Okay, let's try this other thing.

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And I think that's how we will Find

where we can best serve society, but

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it's not rewarded with your retirement

plan and your insurance plan.

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Those two things aren't lining up.

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I will do a plug.

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I tell everyone I know going

to college or in college, this

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book called design your life.

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It was written by two professors, they

were doing this course for their students.

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It became so wildly popular that

they wrote this book and this

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is course, but it's looking at

all those different aspects of.

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Okay, I like medicine, but I don't

necessarily like interacting with people.

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Okay, then you shouldn't do medicine

where you have to face front with people.

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Maybe you go into research.

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Maybe you go into being

a medical administrator.

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Finding your unique design.

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Oh my gosh.

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Designing your life.

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is very much human design.

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It's finding those unique, things

fills you up versus drains you, when

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you were talking about going here and

going there, I had a cousin who came

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to me, I don't know why she came to me

cause I don't have a career path, but

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she came to me after she graduated.

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Lacey: Cause you seem like a

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teacher

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Sara: Oh, I graduated with this degree.

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I'm doing this, but I

don't really love it.

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And I don't know what to do next.

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And I said, yeah, you don't have to know.

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I said, all you have to do is pick

that next rock that you jump to and you

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stand on it and you look around and then

from there you pick your next rock, if

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you're jumping through a stream and.

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Yeah, and she's now doing her

residency as a doctor, which is not

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where she started she tried things

out and that's where she ended up

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versus, versus a college roommate.

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I had who from high school always

said, I'm going to be a doctor.

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I'm going to be a doctor.

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We went to college.

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She went to medical school.

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She did her residency.

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She became a doctor and she.

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I was like, I don't want to be a doctor,

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Lacey: Oh

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Sara: been saying it for so long, then she

had all the bills and she had no choice.

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Like she had to keep being a doctor

versus my cousin who found her way there.

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. She was very much the older student

in her class because she didn't come

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straight out of undergrad, but she.

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intentionally tried things on and was

like, Oh yeah, I want to go that way.

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So you do you man, just

be who you want to be.

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Lacey: And I think it could be

very easy to be like, why are

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they talking about this stuff, but

this really is the underpinnings.

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Of home management, it's how you live

your life and what you value and what's

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important to you, and letting go of

those made up rules and expectations

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that were designed for somebody

else, somebody who doesn't exist.

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Like someone said, I saw something on

TikTok the other day that was like,

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clothes are not manufactured for people.

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They are not meant to fit you.

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They're meant to fit a mannequin, not you.

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And so the, just the more that I think

about that in a lot of different ways,

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it's Oh, this was set up, not for me.

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It was set up for an

amalgamation of what a person.

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Should be doing now.

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Granted, there are some hard and

fast rules when it comes to safety

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and hygiene and, that kind of stuff.

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But beyond those it's made up, man.

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Sara: Yeah.

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It's that cookie cutter,

which is from the beginning.

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I've said my approach to home management

is from an inside out perspective.

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Not an outside in and that was what was

hard for me of talking about like the

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clothes being made for mannequins is

when I would read Because I love manuals.

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That's part of my jam.

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I'm like a rule follower

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Lacey: Manuals are not rules.

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Manuals are not rules.

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If there's anything that

I've learned, I did a poll.

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Instructions not rules.

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Instructions are not rules, Sarah.

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The people spoke.

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It was like 90 percent said

instructions are not rules.

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I just, I need that to be very

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clear.

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Sara: there's like an earthquake

in my soul, so I'm just gonna

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set that to the side for a minute

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Lacey: I

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Sara: Read magazine articles, or Martha

Stewart was really big when I was coming

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up in age and I would see that's the

way to do it, but it didn't work for me.

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So it felt awful.

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So yes, our approach with home

CEO is from the inside out.

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Okay, look at what's

going on in your house.

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What do you want?

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What are your resources?

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What are your goals?

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It's not that outside in.

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It's not the mannequin

clothes draping on you.

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It's you looking at your own

measurements and oh, this is going

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to fit perfectly because I made it.

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For my needs and what I need to

do which feels so liberating and

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going back to the unlearning.

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One size fits all approach,

which still trips me up.

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I still catch myself, and I'm trying

to help other people out of it, but I'm

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still unlearning myself of different

things, and I'm trying to be okay.

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Cause really that joy, you don't

set up ten elements in your

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life and then you feel joy.

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It's, you find the

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Lacey: Yeah.

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Sara: And then work on those 10 elements.

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But the joy is there regardless.

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Lacey: As you were talking, I was

realizing like, oh yeah, we're

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trying to set up what we were saying

about every home being different,

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but all the value being the same.

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That's the underpinning of

everything that we're doing.

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We just want sunshine and rainbows and

for everyone to be happy in their own way.

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Yeah

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Sara: but let's pause there

because Joyful Support Movement

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is very much about realizing it's

not always sunshine and rainbows.

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Lacey: absolutely.

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Sara: enjoying the sunshine and rainbows

when they're there, but also acknowledging

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you stepped in dog poo and you gotta

somehow clean the bottom of your shoe.

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Lacey: Multiple things can

be true at the same time

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Sara: I love our conversations because you

just, never know where it's going to go.

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Oh, it's that wild horse.

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It's that wild horse analogy.

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I love order and rules.

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It makes you feel very safe, but I also

love what's going to happen, letting

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things unfold I also love like the

randomness of our conversation, but

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I want it within a safety, I would

never just show up at an airport and

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go, where am I going to go today?

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Lacey: Oh, that just gave me chills

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Sara: But I would.

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Pick a country ahead of time and fly

to a country not having an itinerary

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and then letting things go from there

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Lacey: don't, I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Sara: No

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Lacey: So no, I don't

think I could do that.

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It's so funny.

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Cause like we'll go on vacation

or trips and I don't plan down

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to the minute, but I like.

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I need to know we're going to go here this

morning, then we'll find a place to eat

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and then we'll go here in the afternoon.

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I need some kind of structure

or I won't leave the hotel.

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So that's where and this is something

I've read before is structure actually

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creates room for creativity because

you're able to not think about

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certain things so again, multiple

things can be true at the same time.

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You can be creative and structured.

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You can be spontaneous and plan ish.

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Sara: Oh my goodness, dovetail to Season 2

participant Teresa, which we are currently

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recording but has not been released yet

she doesn't want to be hemmed in by a

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schedule, but there's so much freedom

that it's leading to chaos and confusion.

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And

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Lacey: feel that to my soul.

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Sara: and I was trying to explain,

if you have a framework, it's

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just what you fall back on.

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You don't have to do it.

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And as you were talking about

the vacation, I was like, if

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every minute is planned out ahead

of time, I would lose my mind.

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But if I knew there were options, You

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it's there if you want to do it, if it's

over scheduled I wouldn't have fun, but

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I see what you're saying And I think

when you're traveling in a group Which

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is again home management is so important

because the more people you have the more

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opportunity for chaos If I was traveling

in a group, I would at the very least have

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to know where are we sleeping every night?

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And where can we get food at?

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Regular intervals.

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If I'm traveling by myself,

I can be a lot more flexible.

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Yeah.

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Lacey: So my whole life,

my family has gone on a big

467

family vacation every summer.

468

So it's my mom's whole side of her

family, aunts, uncles, cousins.

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Obviously it's grown over the years.

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It's now like 40 people who stay

in a house every year together.

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And so that was my experience of traveling

and then sometimes with just like my

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parents and my siblings and it wasn't

until I went on a trip with friends

473

that I was like, Oh, this is a very

different experience because in those

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situations we knew the flow, right?

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We knew when things were happening just

because we had done it for so long,

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the norms were already established.

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We knew how the days run, it was spring

break, my senior year of college,

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which is my only one wild time in life.

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So that's also probably part of

it, but I just remember being like,

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Oh my gosh, leaving for dinner.

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is impossible because everyone's in

one spot and then one person wanders

482

away to find someone else and then

that person comes back but then that

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other person's gone and it was like

herding cats and I, that was my big aha

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moment of, oh, this is very different.

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This is very different.

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Sara: And that's a great through line to

connect it back to no shame in the home

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game and the home CEO, which is Every

group needs a leader Not everybody wants

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to be the leader, sometimes nobody wants

to be the leader, but you're right, like

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there needs to be a designated, this

is the plan, or like you said, you all

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end up walking around in circles for

45 minutes and you don't get anywhere.

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So I grew up, to your point, one side

of my family, the patriarch grandparent

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was military, and We would push

back, we would laugh, we would tease

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about how regimented things were.

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We would get itineraries.

495

We are meeting in the lobby at this

time, we are departing at this time,

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we'll be return it was very and we

would always be like, Ugh, why does

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it have to be so scheduled, right?

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That family member passes away, and then

you miss something when it's not there,

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and then all of a sudden we're like,

Oh, nobody's stepped up to be that role.

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So we are now starving and it's

two thirds in the afternoon and

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we can't figure out where to eat

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Lacey: now, here's a

question that I have, Sarah.

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People have always seen you as a teacher.

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Do people look to you to be the leader?

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Sara: No, I've noticed that I'm

a really good assistant manager.

506

Again, going back to why I never

wanted to be the teacher because I

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don't want to manage a classroom.

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I do not enjoy the dynamics of,

tell people what to do, I'm

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trying to make everything work.

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And I think a really good leader and

manager in a way has to keep the eye on

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the prize of Nope, this is the objective.

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So I'm more of a good assistant

manager where that person can

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be making the tough decision.

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And then I can help execute because

I've been in a managerial role

515

a couple of times, and I just.

516

And I was like, Oh, I have so much respect

for managers, not everybody's meant to

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be a manager and I am not a manager.

518

So no, people don't look to me to be

the leader, but what I do know is my

519

strong skillset is again seeing the

systems and the way things should unfold.

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And that if a manager or leader

is really good, they'll notice

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that is where my strong suit is.

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But I try not to insert myself

when I'm not the leader because

523

that's part of my human design is

I get bitter when I'm not heard.

524

But I have to wait for the

invitation to speak and I notice

525

this a lot with my family.

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I see solutions But I can't just

tell them because then if they don't

527

do it I get bitter So I've learned

how to say and I just did this with

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you before we started our call.

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I said If you would like to help

problem solve X let me know.

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I would love to help you.

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I've learned I can't just insert myself.

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I'm not like a take

charge dominant person.

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One time I was working on the

cruise ship and I had to step in.

534

And I ended up being the manager.

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And I was like, this is not fun.

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This is, you're having to

disappoint people and upset people.

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And you're having to be the hard ass.

538

And I was like, this sucks.

539

But I will be the assistant manager.

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Have you ever been a manager

or are you the leader?

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Lacey: If there is an informal

group, I'm always the leader.

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I don't try to be.

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It just happens if you're in a training

or something, they're like, all

544

right, pick a spokesperson, always me.

545

I was the kid, like when a teacher

would ask a question, I could have

546

very easily been the one to always

raise my hand first, but then I

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learned to not do that and be quiet.

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But then if no one answers, I will

always be the one to speak up.

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Like I can't.

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I'm not answering the question.

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What's really interesting is I've

never actually been a manager.

552

I've always been a informal leader.

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My last role in at the university when

I worked, I had no direct reports, but

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I was technically in charge of leading.

555

Like training and

development for a community.

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So I was seen as a leader of that

community, even though I didn't have

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any formal leadership authority.

558

And that's really where I thrive.

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I'm not directly in charge of

anyone, but I can use my voice

560

to direct us into a pathway.

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I do think my human design, so

I'm a manifesto, throat center,

562

talker, all that good stuff.

563

There's another part of your human

design that's the cross of rulership,

564

I Am meant to rule That ain't my best

leader when I'm like listening to

565

other people but it's it literally

says you are meant to rule So, I mean

566

do I think I should rule the world?

567

Maybe my, human design says

that I am, I don't know, it's

568

interesting to think about.

569

Cause Joe even was talking about,

he's in a managerial role and I even

570

have that thought of I've never been a

manager, but man, I am always a leader.

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Mhm.

572

Mhm.

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Lacey: It makes me sound like

I'm supposed to be a dictator.

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I could be a dictator.

575

But I will be more successful in life

if I'm not, and I've joked I don't want

576

joyful support movement to be a cult.

577

But then I joked with my family

the other day of I feel like if I

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needed to, I couldn't start a cult.

579

Like I feel like I've got the right

skills and attributes that if I

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tried at it, I probably could.

581

Sara: I want to say I can see that

because I get withdrawal symptoms when

582

I don't hear from you for a while.

583

Like when I got a voice memo from Lacey

on Sunday morning, I didn't know what

584

it was about, but I was over the moon

because we usually don't do work stuff

585

on the weekends and I was like, I

get a hit of Lacey on the weekend.

586

The cult leader thing, I think we

got to really be careful with you

587

because you're very dynamic I'm

drawn, like I'm off to a flame.

588

I want to be in your energy.

589

Maybe you having chronic fixation

syndrome is a good thing for the world

590

Lacey: It really isn't

everyone's best interest.

591

I would just be too powerful.

592

I would just be too powerful.

593

Earlier when we talked about

how, there have always been

594

very high expectations for me.

595

I wasn't most likely to be successful.

596

I was second for that, which

just feels like such a Joke.

597

But just, it's like whenever people

talk to me, they're like, Oh yeah,

598

you're going to be successful.

599

And it's so intimidating.

600

And there is this all this thought of am I

ever, am I not living up to my potential?

601

Am I not doing enough?

602

Should I be doing more because of that?

603

It all.

604

Goes back to maybe that's my human

design in action as people feeling

605

that part of my aura and whatnot.

606

Sara: that's so interesting, I would

encourage you not to be hard on

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yourself because you said maybe I'm

not living up to my potential and I'm

608

more looking at it as that adventure.

609

You jumped to that rock and

Oh, what can I do from here?

610

And then you jumped to the next rock.

611

Why would you already be

at the top of the mountain?

612

Part of my human design, I felt very

relieved was, I can't remember what

613

it's called, but it's essentially.

614

Breaking my life up into thirds

and the first third of my life is

615

really going through some shit,

which check the second third of

616

my life is really processing that.

617

And then the next is sharing what

I've learned and helping others.

618

And I just read a quote the other day,

which to me summed up joyful support

619

movement, which is you go through

pain and if you don't help others with

620

it, then the pain was for nothing.

621

Let that pain journey be a benefit

, like I say, everyone's going to

622

have to eat a shit sandwich and

I'm like, okay, I've eaten it.

623

I figured out how to eat it

and it not be so bad and now

624

I'm going to help other people

625

When I was going through my ordeals of

life, eating my various shit sandwiches,

626

it's just, where do you share that?

627

Where do you show up and not be draining

your friends or your family or I don't

628

want to be paying to see a therapist

every single day, 24 hours a day.

629

Going back to that Joy Ripple, like

we just want to help people enjoy

630

life because it's not always easy and

let's just share what we've learned.

631

Lacey: And not be a cult

leader while doing it.

632

That's a big part of

633

Sara: be, wouldn't that be

funny if that was your handle?

634

Not a cult leader.

635

Lacey: Oh, I like that.

636

Sara: That's funny.

637

We're gonna put in safety checks,

like safety boundaries to make

638

sure we don't not we, you.

639

I would just be your follower.

640

I'm a great, I'm a great second.

641

So I would not be in charge.

642

I would be guilty by association,

but I would not be the leader.

643

I would make sure

everyone felt really good,

644

Lacey: yeah, so you would enable me,

645

essentially, you,

646

Sara: a hundred This is why we

really do need somebody in our group.

647

We need this to be a triad

648

.

Mhm.

649

Mhm.

650

Sara: We were talking about how our

homes are run and me realizing, I

651

can see it, but I'm not a generator.

652

So it's hard for me to do everything.

653

But one thing I did learn through

the human design was that I

654

thrive on specific compliments.

655

I read that.

656

And the inside of me lit

up like a pinball machine.

657

So I keep telling my husband,

I love specific compliments.

658

Cause he'll be like, you're the best.

659

And I'm like, no specific.

660

Yes, like that is my fuel.

661

That is, yeah that's

my hit of feels goods.

662

Lacey: I don't remember

what my design says.

663

I struggle with compliments in

general, but do I want them?

664

Absolutely.

665

I need to know that I'm doing a good job.

666

I, I need the validation, but I also am so

uncomfortable when I get the compliments.

667

So it's very challenging

to know what to do.

668

Sara: That doesn't sound very

cult leader ish, I'm sorry.

669

You're just like, maybe

that's our safety check.

670

Wait, I think I've told you this.

671

My son, he also has a hard

time with compliments.

672

And he'll go, praise accepted.

673

He'll just

674

Lacey: it's like in a kitchen when

someone yells out an order, you're

675

supposed to yell heard back or something.

676

So that's what I've started saying to

like Joe, just be like, heard, thank you.

677

Sara: heard.

678

Oh, that's so funny.

679

I'm just glad that we got

to get together and laugh.

680

I hope people listening

get something out of this,

681

Lacey: As long as they get that,

they get to be their own person,

682

there's no one right way to do

things, how you were made is okay.

683

Really that's the biggest thing that

human design gave me, is it gave

684

me permission to lean into things.

685

That I always secretly

felt, but never did.

686

So like I always loved the idea of

being a writer and having my days

687

be what I need them to be and like

sitting down and writing and but I

688

was like, no, that's not possible.

689

And so now I'm in this place where

I'm like, am I supposed to lean

690

into this creative lifestyle that

I never thought could be mine.

691

I have to, because of my illness a bit,

but hearing that these things that were

692

part of me that I was making smaller was.

693

It's not only a part of me,

but my superpowers in a way has

694

been really validating for me.

695

And I said this to Adriana many

a times of human design came to

696

me the moment that I needed it.

697

I started with my human design journey

right before I got sick and it has

698

really helped me during this time of

Okay, no, rest is a part of my design.

699

It's also a part of my illness.

700

There is an element of

permission that I have never had

701

Sara: Ooh, that's what it is.

702

An element of permission.

703

Cause I too found it

exactly when I needed it.

704

I was gonna have to fold up my

business because I could not sustain

705

it, but I love the work that I do.

706

So I too found it and was like, Oh, okay.

707

These are the parts that drain my energy.

708

I should restructure my

business so that I can maximize

709

my voice and then also giving myself

permission as a projector I'm supposed

710

to rest my brain a lot so I actually

can produce more the more I rest my

711

brain And yeah, I feel like I have

permission and also gut decisions.

712

That was re listening

to Adriana's episode.

713

Oh yeah, I'm supposed to make decisions

with my gut and it really works.

714

It actually really works out.

715

That just reminds me, I have been

using my brain to figure out my next

716

computer and I should be using my gut.

717

Lacey: Use

718

that gut,

719

Sara: girl.

720

Lacey: I'm still mastering my

721

decision making, I'm a emotional person,

the solar plexus, so I'm supposed to

722

wait for the excitement to die down.

723

And it's very challenging for me.

724

Sara: Actually, that's so funny cause

when I knew that about you and when

725

you came back with Home CEO and you

were all that wild horse energy and

726

I said, okay, let's wait 48 hours

727

.

Lacey: It's so hard.

728

Yeah.

729

I that's something I want to

look into more in this manifestor

730

community that I've started to become

a part of is learning from other

731

emotional manifestors because it

feels so counterintuitive, right?

732

My energy is cause I'm excited.

733

I'm excited because of that feeling,

but I'm supposed to wait to take

734

action, but I want to take it.

735

A little bit of a dance, so

I think I'm figuring it out.

736

Sara: Once I started utilizing it and I

saw how well it was working, even when you

737

came back to me with home CEO, I was like,

yeah, my gut says there was no hesitation.

738

So you're right.

739

It is, but I'm also unlearning

because growing up, my gut decision

740

was not encouraged and I was

encouraged to think things to

741

the nth degree, as I love to say.

742

My sister and I joke all the time,

there is a right decision and if you

743

think hard enough, you will get there

and it was exhausting and I got a lot

744

of illnesses because of it and then

going and unlearning that to go I

745

got to learn how to listen to my gut,

746

Lacey: yeah, it is.

747

It is very much a journey and it's

so interesting that is something I

748

realized early on in life and it's

something Joe and I talk about.

749

There is no right answer.

750

There's only the answer that you choose.

751

Sara: Somebody needs to hear this today

because I just heard that I was trying to

752

come up with a decision about something

else going to take a lot of energy.

753

And I was asking some

friends for guidance.

754

And one of my friends came back and

said, there's no perfect decision.

755

And I was like, Oh, that's

what I needed to hear.

756

I forgot about using my gut cause I

keep forgetting and I was like, Oh

757

yeah, there's no perfect decision.

758

Yeah.

759

There's just the decision.

760

Lacey: if it's quote unquote

the wrong decision, then it's

761

a lesson that you learned.

762

Something happens either way.

763

So now I just want to be very clear.

764

I say that and I don't know if I

mean it fully, I don't necessarily

765

know if I feel it all the time.

766

Sara: Oh yeah, my coach, when you just

did that, for those listening, because

767

this is a podcast, Laci touched her

head and then she touched her heart.

768

And my coach talks

about that all the time.

769

We can understand something on such a

mental level, we can read that book,

770

we can hear that saying, whatever.

771

But to embody it.

772

That is a completely different experience.

773

And you might have to learn

something a hundred times

774

before you start to embody it.

775

Yeah.

776

Lacey: Why don't we do a quick moment of

gratitude because we have to go to Costco.

777

Joe has today off and we're

going to go to Costco together.

778

And I just, I always love any day.

779

That Joe and I have together

where it's just the two of us

780

and we go like run errands.

781

I just have the greatest time with him

on those days and today we're about to

782

go do that and I am so grateful for it.

783

Sara: oh, that's so beautiful.

784

Happy errands.

785

I'm grateful.

786

This is going to sound weird.

787

So my kid went to the doctor this morning.

788

He's got a fever.

789

We can't go anywhere cause germs.

790

I'm actually thankful because

We're going to snuggle up.

791

We're going to finish up some

baking shows that we started.

792

I like the permission.

793

It's like an adult snow day.

794

nope, you got to just hunker

down and make the most of it and

795

just enjoy being at the house.

796

We're going to make, we'll do some

baking together this afternoon.

797

Oh, I'm really relieved.

798

So yeah.

799

Lacey: Oh, I'm also thankful for my

800

tattoo.

801

I

802

got a tattoo last week for the first time.

803

Yeah.

804

Now I'm like,

805

Sara: That's so exciting.

806

Oh.

807

Lacey: an honor of my grandparents.

808

I got it with my cousins and my aunt.

809

We designed it together and it's

just so special and I love it.

810

And my son is being so funny with it.

811

First, he.

812

Was like, this is the first

time I've gotten a tattoo.

813

Joe doesn't have any

tattoos, so it was very new.

814

And his response was, when I

get older, I'm going to do that.

815

I'm like, okay, bud, when you're

older, that's your choice.

816

And then I explained to him what it

meant because it has a fishing hook.

817

My grandfather was a fisherman.

818

And so that's the part for him.

819

And then it goes into the fishing hook

line is in the shape of a rose and it

820

goes into a whisk because my grandma

loved roses and was this amazing cook.

821

So it's just this.

822

piece of my body that I

can look at and remember.

823

So I told that to Isaac, and he's

now started like looking at it, and

824

he'll go, I remember them too, Mommy.

825

Or he'll look at it and

go, I love them too, Mommy.

826

It has, it's brought me a lot of joy

in my three days that I've had it.

827

Sara: I love that.

828

That is so beautiful.

829

I love new tattoo energy.

830

Lacey: This comes out the

day before my 35th birthday.

831

Happy birthday to me.

832

Cause this is going to be posted March

8th, I believe my birthday's on the 9th.

833

I'm going to be 35.

834

Can you believe that?

835

I just, that sounds so much older than 34.

836

Why does it sound like

I'm not bothered by it?

837

I need to be very clear.

838

I'm not aging doesn't really bother me.

839

I think it's because I was the youngest

and have always been the youngest.

840

So I will always be the

youngest in so many ways.

841

So aging is like when I'm still

the youngest, no matter what.

842

35.

843

Sara: We're thankful

844

Lacey: Thanks.

845

I'll try not to be a cult leader.

846

Thank you,

847

Sarah.

848

Sara: Thank you, Lacey.